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ウクライナ支援を全面停止とかヤベーぞ…
４日からカナダメキシコに関税も開始する

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かつてウクライナに核を棄てさせた責任取れ

>>136759
Retarded.
The reality is that the Ukraine never possessed nuclear weapons, so it could never "relinquish" them. The nuclear weapons in the Ukraine SSR were 100% the possession of the USSR and under the control of Moscow.

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関税開始！
一部関税免除！
調整が難しいねぇ…

ブレブレだけど行動力が凄い

アメリカが情報提供やめただけでウクライナ軍１万が包囲されてるらしい

>>136780
お前の親分も習皇帝の所有物
それを分かるまでどっか行きな

>>136781
DTMWTD

>>136910
I'm not Russian.
What's your problem? Does hard truth hurt your feelings?
It's quite hilarious seeing you cope by thinking of Putler's supposed subordination to Xi when the entire political class of the post-war Japanese state have been nothing but abject bootlickers of Washington.

真実が怖いってソ連を保護するおまいう
本物の共産主義者を真似して餓死したらどうだ

3日間で済ませると思って戦争してるやつが
アメリカ大統領が助けをもらった上で3年間経っても戦争終わらせないってどんなボロクソ国やねん

>>136923
>真実が怖いってソ連を保護するおまいう
Yes, reality can be scary, also for those choosing to rely on the US for "保護". Foremost, the US has interests, not allies or enemies. Should be more than clear by now.
>本物の共産主義者を真似して餓死したらどうだ
Oh, I see. So you are a cold warrior, still fighting the soviets and communists on the internet. Sorry but reality doesn't care about your ideology and acknowledging that the Ukraine never had any nukes doesn't make me a communist.

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>>136925
>Foremost, the US has interests, not allies or enemies.
正しく言うとアメリカを含めて「国々は永久の友人と敵はなく国益のみある」だろう
そんなのは国際関係の常識だよ
他人が知らないだと思い込んでお前小学生か
九九でも教えてあげよっか

>Yes, reality can be scary, also for those choosing to rely on the US for "保護"
1950代から敵に囲まれてる日本に他の選択肢があると言ってるこの無知さ面白い

>Oh, I see. So you are a cold warrior, still fighting the soviets and communists on the internet.
共産主義だろうがソ連だろうがお前ら親露は世界の癌だよ
自分の国民がロシア政権下で不安しか感じないし国民講義したらすぐ戦争か大量殺人した怒らないし
生まれたから汚職だらけで民度のない民族が出来上がったお前らの元ソ連の国々が途上国にすらなれない

50年わたって米軍の何十件暴行がお前らのやることと比べれば大分まし
どんだけ愚痴しても沖縄県はアジア系の国と比べれば元気で生きてる上
北海道もなかなかよくやってる
その代わりにロシアが管理してる樺太はニュースにすらボロボロになってる

日本が米国軍の保護に中毒になってるぐらいお前らキャストの低いロシアが大大大嫌いだよ
北方領土を返せBAKA GAIJIN

流石にアルメニアの味方を名乗っても戦争が起こったら味方を守って行かないロシアという事実すら
覚えていない親露に皮肉がたまらないけどな
日本語掲示板に英語でしか投稿できないKY外人は無理そう

ロシアが操作してもウクライナ領土にある限り核兵器を乗っ取るのは無理な話でもないし
領土を奪い続けるロシアにはいい報いなのでは

関税かけるのはいいとしてその分の産業が国内に戻って来てるのかというとそうでもないのが悲しいね

関税がかけられても労働組合を破壊せねば米国内での人件費高すぎるだし無理そう

産業が海外に流出する原因て人件費が殆どの理由だしね
それに加えて米で低賃金労働を担ったたのが不法移民だったりもしたしたのを追い出すから
人件費は上がり物価は上がるし輸入が必要なものは関税で更にドン
元からバランスとるのが難しいのにトランプはよく知りもしないで思い付きで触ってバランス崩してるからな

>>136926
Redpill me on the webring

>>136927
>他人が知らないだと思い込んでお前小学生か
But, even if you know it, evidently you have not understood it, since you apparently believe that the US and the USSR are so fundamentally different in their self-interested approach to international relations and "allies".
>他の選択肢
Are you quibbling over my use of the word "choosing"? I accept this criticism. It is true that Japan is rather a colony of the US empire, not a sovereign country able to "choose" its "allies". But even so, did you never learn at school about fights for independence and liberation? At the end of the day submission is a choice.

>自分の国民...
Dude, are you blind? The administration press-ganging their population into a meat-grinder is in Kiev, not Moscow. There are countless videos of Ukrainians being kidnapped on the street by conscription officers. Moscow hasn't even instituted conscription yet.

>お前ら
I'm neither Russian nor Eastern Yuro, you fool.
>民族が出来上がった
Compare it to drug abuse in the US. It's what's happens when societies disintegrate.

>50年わたって米軍の何十件暴行
A single case is already shameful (for you) and here you are excusing your own subjugation and abuse. Pathetic.
>どんだけ愚痴しても沖縄県は...
Yeah? Aren't you a やまとんちゅう? You certainly seem much more concerned with the northern territories (or claims) than the southern ones. Maybe we should ask a おちわんちゅう what they think of their occupation.

>癌
>樺太
>北方領土
>大大大嫌いだよ
Ohh, I get it now. You are just seething and gaping over the Southern Kuril and Sakhalin. You have fever dreams of 蝦夷地 and therefore can't help but be extremely butthurt about Russia. Tough luck, mate. Next time, try not losing a world war after invading your neighbors.
It is still curious, though, that you are not similarly raging over the many Pacific islands which the US also took from the Japanese empire and controls to this day.

>>136928
>アルメニアの味方を名乗って
Good point. However:
1. Nagorno-Karabakh, although largely populated by ethnic Armenians, was internationally-recognized Azeri territory.
2. Not even Armenia claimed that Nagorno-Karabakh was its territory. Instead it claimed to support the independent "Republic of Artsakh".
3. Russia did not recognize the Republic of Artsakh and had no commitment towards it.
4. Armenia spurned Russia first by the actions of its Soros-aligned PM Pashinyan.

>>136929
>ウクライナ領土にある限り核兵器を乗っ取るのは無理な話
Naive and ignorant. To begin with, "Ukraine" is not an homogeneous nation and the state borders are very artificial. In particular, Crimea and the eastern flank that extends down to Odessa were taken from the Russian empire and annexed to the Ukraine SSR by the communists (starting with Lenin). This was not a big problem for the soviets because they controlled the whole Ukraine SSR anyway, so it was just a re-arrangement of internal borders. (Similarly, the far-western part of the Ukraine, known as "Galitsiya", which had been strongly linked to the Austro-Hungarian empire and Poland, was taken by Stalin over the course of WW2.) Do you really believe that a nuclear power would simply tolerate a state to walk away taking with it parts of its own territory and its own nuclear weapons?! Absurd. Suppose the US deployed nuclear weapons on Japan, do you really believe that Washington would allow you to keep them just because Tokyo declares "independence" from the US? LOL.

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やあ、友達、グーグル翻訳はごめんなさい、本物の変人を見たいならこの男に「サイバートラックはゲイで醜い」と言ってください。

>>136967
ロシアに支配されたくない国が何回も抗議したのにお前がいつも無視してることは見逃さないよ

>since you apparently believe that the US and the USSR are so fundamentally different in their self-interested approach to international relations and "allies"
やり方はどうあれ結果は違ってるのは大事だ
ソ連・ロシアと比べてアメリカの味方になってる国は大分豊かで安定していて
トランプがアメリカ同盟がめちゃくちゃにしても4年経ったらレーガン時代のあとの様に何とか元に戻るし
長い目で見れば例えアメリカの同盟に居続ければ安心だよ

代わりにウクライナやジョージアやバルト三国などお前ら親露の管理は何十年経っても相変わらずクソ苦手で貧乏になった結果
奴らが戦争に巻き込まれるまで抗議しても当然だからな

>Dude, are you blind? The administration press-ganging their population into a meat-grinder is in Kiev, not Moscow.
>But even so, did you never learn at school about fights for independence and liberation?
アメリカに抵抗を促す代わりにウクライナの抵抗が否定するお前の矛盾さこそが親露のアホくさ
正にHypocriteというものだお前は

>1. Nagorno-Karabakh, although largely populated by ethnic Armenians, was internationally-recognized Azeri territory.
隣国を攻撃して国際法を無視し続けるロシア自身が自分作った同盟の国に対し国際法を言い訳にして守ってあげないのはまたロシアの矛盾の一つ
ロシアは自分勝手なのは分かるけど何回も隣国を敵に回して戦争が起きたという事実に自覚ないことは正に親露の無知さの証

>A single case is already shameful (for you) and here you are excusing your own subjugation and abuse. Pathetic.
ロシアが支配していくら民族を滅ぼしたのは忘れてるのか
稀に起こった数人による暴行とでも比べてられると言ってるお前がアホ

>You are just seething and gaping over the Southern Kuril and Sakhalin.
北方領土に住んでる人を苦しむロシアに耐えられないのは分からない

>Maybe we should ask a おちわんちゅう what they think of their occupation.
お前もやってみたら
ロシアがソ連時代に管理したポーランド・東ドイツなどに「ロシアがお前らを再び支配したらどうだ」って

>I'm neither Russian nor Eastern Yuro, you fool.
親露の意味すら分かってないのに何で日本語掲示板に居るのよ

>To begin with, "Ukraine" is not an homogeneous nation and the state borders are very artificial.
そもそもロシアの国境も変なのでお前らの元支配者のモンゴル帝国に領土を返したらどうだ
というアホくさな理屈とお前が言ってることは同じ

>Suppose the US deployed nuclear weapons on Japan, do you really believe that Washington would allow you to keep them just because Tokyo declares "independence" from the US?
味方のイギリスに核兵器を共有したアメリカなら問題ないしね
お前が考えるほどアメリカはロシアやソ連と同じように自分勝手じゃないぞ

殆ど日本人がいる掲示板に「アメリカに抗議して死ねばよい」と言ってるのは
「害」の害人しかいないよな

国に帰れ

>>136977
>やり方はどうあれ結果は違ってるのは大事だ
The results are different but the comparison is misleading. Communism was a failure. Capitalism made the US and its "allies" richer. The USSR disintegrated and is no more. The US won the Cold War. The world transitioned into US hegemony. The dollar became the world's most used reserve currency making the US even more wealthy. But history hasn't ended and all empires come and go. My argument is that all "great powers" (at least all European-style great powers) are similarly selfish and self-interested in their approach to international relations. The greatest part of the difference that you see when looking at the US vs USSR/Russia is that the US is a living sea-going empire (a thassalocracy) made rich by capitalism, while Russia is the remnant of a land-based empire (a tellurocracy) which was relatively impoverished by communism. Your heart bleeds for every Baltoid, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine, etc., while ignoring the corresponding Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.
>4年経ったらレーガン時代のあとの様に何とか元に戻るし
Doubtful. I believe that even if Trump goes away and the establishment takes over again, the US cannot simply return to "normal". Broadly speaking, it is the world that seems to be undergoing a restructuring, not just the US. In fact, we seem to be returning to the historical "normal" of great power balance and leaving behind the period of unrestricted US hegemony. In this sense, it is the pre-Trump era that was "abnormal" and Trump represents a return to quid-pro-quo alliances rather than the US paying for the "security/occupation" of a sprawling set of "allies" which are not core strategic interests. The GAE is becoming too expensive. Last year the national debt interest was larger than the Pentagon budget...
>長い目で見れば例え合衆国の同盟に居続ければ安心だよ
And Plaza accords, stagnation, and lost decades (and soon perhaps proxy war). But maybe that's OK with you.

>何回も隣国を敵に回して戦争が起きたという
There are exactly 2 cases of the post-Soviet Russia attacking its neighbors and both of them are the result of the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest which declared that NATO would expand to Georgia and the Ukraine. Everyone, including most top strategic thinkers in the US and Europe, knew perfectly well that this was unacceptable to Moscow and it would trigger war. NATO and the US deep state ignored all the warnings because they wanted to provoke a proxy war.
Georgia: In the same year of 2008, leader Saakashvili attacked Russian "peacekeeper" troops in South Ossetia thinking that NATO would save him. He was wrong and his army was quickly defeated. The EU issued a report about this short war. It concluded that Georgia provoked it.
Ukraine: In 2014 they overthrew the Russia-friendly government in Kiev and immediately moved to suppress language rights for Russian and Hungarian speakers, then burned Russian-speakers alive in Odessa, waged a civil war against Russian speakers in Donbass, refused to implement the peace agreement they signed (Minsk II), and invited NATO. "Totally unprovoked", you see.
>代わりにウクライナやジョージアやバルト三国など
Countries are not all equal. We do not live in a Westphalian world. Small countries don't like the rough treatment? Be friendly and don't invite a foreign military onto the borders of your more powerful neighbor. Simple as.
Otherwise, for consistency, you should cry about Cuba as well.
>アメリカに抵抗を促す代わりにウクライナの抵抗が否定する
Nonsense. Ukraine is not a victim here (except of its own stupidity) and it's neither fighting for liberation nor independence. It fights for the interests of NATO, not its own, which would have been best served by remaining a neutral state.
Japan is an occupied country. The Ukraine was not occupied by Russia until it deliberately chose to antagonize it. Can you not see the difference? Also, I do not "抵抗を促す", I simply point out that you're the hypocrite (and coward) who pretends to care about the sovereignty of far-away countries while you don't have courage to do anything for your own.

>>136977
>国際法を言い訳にして守ってあげない...
Naive. What you are saying is that since Russia breaks international law for its benefit (e.g. by invading the Ukraine), it should have broken international law for the benefit of Armenia too. That's dumb. Every great power breaks international law according to their convenience (as long as they can get away it). The US does so routinely because it's the most powerful country (and therefore very difficult to hold it to account). Russia does it less so, because it's less powerful and therefore more vulnerable. No great power breaks international law for the benefit of another country... except for 1 special case: since the US government (specially foreign policy) has been heavily infiltrated by Jews for many decades, the US often breaks international law for the benefit of Israel (even when doing so hurts US national interests). Armenians don't have the same kind of control over the Russian government.

>民族を滅ぼしたのは忘れてるのか
>稀に起こった数人
You are coping and rationalizing a foreign military occupying and raping your women. Doesn't matter what harm the USSR or Russia caused its uppity neighbors. This is not even about the US. This is about you. Unless... perhaps you don't consider Ryukyu people as "true Yamato Japanese" so you don't care about their problems? Hm...

>何で日本語掲示板に居るのよ
I'm learning about other cultures. Aren't you having fun?

>モンゴル帝国に領土を返し
LOL, this cannot be an honest argument, you must be trolling. "Ukraine" insofar as an independent country exists since 1991, the historically-Russian territories were "gifted" to it ~100 and ~70 years ago and are populated mostly by Russian speakers. On the other hand, it's been many centuries since Russia shed the Mongol yoke, its territories were not inherited from the Mongol empire (on the contrary, part of them were conquered by the Mongol empire), and they are not populated by Mongols.

>イギリスに核兵器を共有
Wrong comparison.
1. The UK was already a nuclear state.
2. It is not "共有". The nuclear weapons belong to the UK, but the US has a shared command authority over their launch.
3. There is no doubt that if London and Washington become estranged, the UK can simply revoke the authority granted to the US.

>同じように自分勝手じゃないぞ
Delusional. You believe in the pure heart of the US government more than citizens do, LOL.

なぜ彼に返信するのに時間を無駄にするのですか、彼は明らかにオカマになりたいだけです。彼は自分の馬鹿げた意見を日本語に翻訳することすらしない

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>>136983
ロシアが民族迫害を何回もやらかしたのはいつも無視してるね
もうお前ら親露害人の負けだよ

>The results are different but the comparison is misleading. Communism was a failure. The USSR disintegrated and is no more.
>Russia is the remnant of a land-based empire (a tellurocracy) which was relatively impoverished by communism.
ソ連が崩壊したからロシアの罪と責任がなくなったというお前の理屈がおかしい
ソ連時代に起こったホロドモールなどの中軸であるロシアがまだ存在して戦争を繰り返してるのは無視しながら
アメリカが味方を守ってる行為を罪と見なすのはまたお前ら親露の屁理屈はいつでも笑える

その上に共産主義の所為にしてロシアが発展できなくのはおかしいのよ
ソ連崩壊した時から30年経っても石油・ガス・武器しか売れなくてソ連時代の発展にすら超えない
お前らの経済がくそ雑魚すぎて資本主義の時代に追いつけないのよ

>while ignoring the corresponding Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.
キューバには侵略は一回限りで3日間すら続かないしアメリカが辞めたのにそれはウクライナと比べられると言ってる？
ベトナムはそもそもフランスが植民地を失いたくなくてねだっていたからアメリカが干渉した
イラクとシリアとリビアは味方のクウェートとサウジとエジプトなどを守るためにやったのよ

>And Plaza accords
最初にアメリカが上げた欧州への市場アクセスを再調整するのはそんなに危ないこと？

>stagnation, and lost decades
中国を見れば急速発展の後に停滞が起こるのは他国干渉がなくても自然に起こるものだよ

>(and soon perhaps proxy war). But maybe that's OK with you
味方のために戦争を始めたアメリカがあんなことをやるのはむしろお前の考えか甘い

>Countries are not all equal. We do not live in a Westphalian world. Small countries don't like the rough treatment? Be friendly and don't invite a foreign military onto the borders of your more powerful neighbor. Simple as.
>Ukraine is not a victim here (except of its own stupidity) and it's neither fighting for liberation nor independence.
逆だよ
バルト三国・韓国・フィリピン・トルコ・日本はお前らの同盟の隣国だけどアメリカ保護のおかげで安心で居られて発展できて
それを見てウクライナが同じくやりたい気持ちも分かるだろ

>There are exactly 2 cases of the post-Soviet Russia
ジョージアとモルドバも忘れてる？

チェチェンのような隣国がお前らロシア人を1700代から嫌っているのに何でそれを無視して隣国の抵抗意思を分からないの？
奴らはロシア人になりたくない、ロシア人に支配されたくない
ロシアが昔からやっている迫害を無視して何で理屈をソ連崩壊後に区切りしてるの？お前の屁理屈に付き合わない

>Doubtful. I believe that even if Trump goes away and the establishment takes over again,
ヘゲモニーはどうあれお前らくそ雑魚同盟に加盟するよりアメリカの手先になる方がまし

>No great power breaks international law for the benefit of another country... except for 1 special case
イスラエル以外のアラブ諸国の味方がいるのにアメリカは戦争に巻き込まれる理由をイスラエルのみにするのはお前は頭おかしい

>You are coping and rationalizing a foreign military occupying and raping your women.
他国干渉なく政府が九条を訂正すれば済ませる話で民族迫害を何回もやらかしたお前には回答する必要ないな

>1. The UK was already a nuclear state.
アメリカのおかげでイギリスの核兵器が出来上がったことだからこそ日本が安心できるもの

日本が核兵器持てるように命令してくれ

もうロシアとアメリカでウクライナ統治すればええやろ
そうすりゃ鉱物資源だって取り放題やん

全世界25％関税発動！

>>136988
>民族迫害を何回もやらかしたのはいつも無視してるね
I ignore it because it's not an argument, it's just whining. It is just you echoing the ethnic grievances proclaimed by other people. Should I start echoing the grievances of the nations ruined by the US in wars of choice around the world? Should I do likewise for those oppressed by the Japanese empire? It's a very feminine mode of debate. Are you a woman?

>ソ連が崩壊したからロシアの罪と責任がなくなったという
I didn't say that. But it is true that the USSR and Russia are not the same. The USSR, including its leadership, was formed by many other peoples apart from Russians. In fact, before WW2, the USSR, infused with Bolshevik left-wing ideology, actually suppressed Russians and promoted minority groups. Similar to the recent leftism in the US.
>ホロドモール
This affected several regions of the USSR, not only the Ukraine SSR, and the responsibility lies with the soviet leadership at the time, composed of members of various soviet republics, not only the Russia SSR. The spin "Russian crime against Ukraine" is retarded propaganda.
>30年経って...ソ連時代の発展にすら超えない
According to the UN, they have purchase-parity gross GDP above Japan and Germany.

>ジョージアとモルドバも忘れてる？
No. There has been no war involving Moldova and I already mentioned Georgia.
>チェチェンのような隣国...
>奴らはロシア人になりたくない
Chechens overall seem to be fine with Russia given that they will even fight under the flags of Russia and Chechnya. As for the minority of "Ichkerian" chechens (the ones fighting for al-Qaeda/al-Nusra/HTS/Jolani in Syria and for NATO in Ukraine), they are salafi islamist terrorist. Who cares what they want.
>...ロシア人に支配されたくない
Chechnya is self-ruled.

>...それを見てウクライナが同じくやりたい
Economic cooperation, even integration, does not require being absorbed by a military bloc like NATO or occupied by foreign military bases. Furthermore, security cannot be achieved in isolation: neighbors have security concern too. Attempting to increase one state's security by inviting the military of a distant power can have the opposite effect of reducing security by threatening neighboring states. And that's precisely what we see in the Cuba and Ukraine cases. At the end of the day, geography is inescapable and weaker states simply have to accommodate for the interests of more powerful neighbors. You might ignore this axiom for a while when there is only 1 global power, but not when the world's security architecture is multipolar.

>>136988
>キューバ
I'm not only referring to the Bay of Pigs fiasco. I'm also referring to the "missile crisis" during the Cold War. It can be successfully compared to the case of NATO expansion to Georgia/Ukraine.
>ベトナムはそもそもフランスが植民地...
Apart from that, it was another war of choice, with a fabricated Tonkin Gulf incident used as pretext to manufacture consent. Furthermore, the US publicly regarded South Vietnam as an "ally". Yet, seeing the war effectively lost, it had no problem to wash its hands, abandon it, and pursue its own national interests elsewhere. Another example of the kind of fundamentally self-interest and selfish foreign policy of which I was talking about, common trait of all (European-style) great powers.
>イラクとシリアとリビア
I mentioned these as further examples of invasions and wars of choice waged by the US. They are counterparts of the wars which the USSR/Russia waged around its territory. Wars waged by the US are far away while those waged by USSR/Russia are close by because their geographical placement is very different and because they are/were different kinds of empires.

>再調整するのはそんなに危ないこと？
The Plaza accords ensured that Japan de-emphasized its manufacturing economy in favor of financialization. The financial sector was deregulated and liberalized. The yen/dollar index was pushed up, hurting Japanese exports. Monetary policy was "loosened", huge amounts of cheap credit was injected into the economy, and government spending was cut.
The Plaza accords were not "再調整". They were an instrument used by Washington to basically dismantle Japan's state-driven capitalism, replacing it with neoliberalism. They did that because in the 1970s and 1980s Japan's economy was growing fast and Washington became scared of falling behind and losing control. Tokyo accepted it because it's not sovereign.
>中国を見れば急速発展の後に停滞が起こるのは他国干渉がなくても自然に起こるものだ
No, China's economy has not stagnated so far. Annual GDP growth in China has declined from ~9% to ~5% for a number of reasons (some internal, like the burst of the real-estate bubble, and some external, like the economic "decoupling" pursued by Washington). But Japan's growth went from ~9% to ~1%.

>アメリカは戦争に巻き込まれる理由をイスラエルのみにする
It's not the only reason, but it is by far the dominant reason.

>他国干渉なく政府が九条を訂正すれば済ませる
九条 is the "peace clause", isn't it?
<The Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of setting international disputes. [...] The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.
As far as I understand, "amending article 9" is code-word for "abolishing the peace constitution" and "re-militarization". Washington will not allow a re-militarized Japan to use its strength against the US, or the US military bases in Japan. So I do not see how that can work.

>アメリカのおかげでイギリスの核兵器が出来上がった
You are making things up. The US did not assist Britain in completing its nuclear weapons programme. In fact, after the 2 countries worked together on the discovery and early development of nuclear weapons in the Manhattan Project (since 1943), the US restricted and denied access to technical information to Britain under the pretext that the information-sharing agreement signed by Roosevelt was no longer binding for subsequent administrations. So Britain had to re-start its own nuclear weapons programme to independently produce a nuclear weapon several years later in 1952.

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>>137058
既に負けてるから嘘つき始めたな
24時間以上たって長文章ばかり出来上がったけど理論が通じないのはAI使ってた所為かね

>I ignore it because it's not an argument, it's just whining. It is just you echoing the ethnic grievances proclaimed by other people
核心の意味も分かってないお前のようなアホには書き直してあげる

アメリカは味方を守るために何回も遠い他国と戦って勝利した

ロシアは同じことを一切しようもしなかった
その上に味方だった中国と戦争までした

それを見てアメリカがロシアと同じく自分勝手だとお前が言ってるのは最初から間違ってるんだ
当然の結果はアメリカの方が味方が多くて好かれるのよ

>Should I start echoing the grievances of the nations ruined by the US in wars of choice around the world?
味方には優しく敵には厳しくするのはどこでも当然なことでお前がアメリカが味方のためにやったことを何回も言っても無駄だからな
ロシアは味方の面倒すら見ていない支配しても他国を貧乏させて停滞しかしないのよ
その上に敵のNATOにすら勝てないクズだしロシアの味方になりたくない国が多いのは当然

>The spin "Russian crime against Ukraine" is retarded propaganda.
どんな言い訳であろうとロシアがソ連のリーダーとして責任を負うのは当然のこと
ホロドモールだけじゃない他国を攻撃して国家の領土を何回も拡大して支配した民族を苦しめるだけロシアのような国家嫌われてるからな
ブレスト＝リトフスク条約のような独立チャンスが出来たらロシアが支配した民族を即独立宣言して戦争までするのはその証だ

代わりに日本のようなアメリカ基地を保有する国がアメリカがちゃんと経済支援などの面倒を見てあげたからこそ戦争に至るまで抵抗しないのよ
敵扱いするキューバまでな

>No. There has been no war involving Moldova and I already mentioned Georgia.
嘘つけ
2008年以前のトランスニストリア・アブハジア・南オセチアのような傀儡国家を建設するために戦争やっただろ

>According to the UN, they have purchase-parity gross GDP above Japan and Germany.
ソ連は世界2位だったことを忘れてるね
共産主義やめてもそれを未だに超えないロシアはクズ
天然資源しか売れないくそ雑魚国は当然の結果
日本とドイツをなぜ言及したのは意味わからんが誰も騙されないのよ

>Chechnya is self-ruled.
嘘つけ
チェチェンは独立したかったからロシアと2回戦争したこと忘れてる？
既に独立しているならプーチンの言うこと聞かずにウクライナへチェチェン人を出す必要ないだろ

お前が日本に使った屁理屈を使おう
領土にロシア軍人だらけのチェチェンを今独立宣言させたらどうだ

>Economic cooperation, even integration, does not require being absorbed by a military bloc like NATO or occupied by foreign military bases.
EU加盟しようとしたからウクライナを攻撃するロシアを見てお前が言ってることは大嘘
発展したかったウクライナがロシアの所為でできなかったからNATO加盟まで訴える可能性はあるだろ

>I'm also referring to the "missile crisis" during the Cold War.
戦争のない海上でミサイル流通を止めただけでウクライナの戦争と同等扱いするのはお前の頭がおかしい

>Apart from that, it was another war of choice
中立ベトナムか味方のフランスを選ぶかという質問だったことでフランスを選んだアメリカは俺が言った通り味方思いだったからな
お前が何を言おうとその真実は見逃せない

>The yen/dollar index was pushed up
これはプラザ契約だけの結果
そのほかは日本銀行と政府がやったことね

>Tokyo accepted it because it's not sovereign.
独立したフランスとイギリスも日本と同じくドル安をごり押されたけど
なぜ日本が独立していないから黙って受け入れた理屈にしたことは間違いなく嘘

そもそも日本がまだ独立していない理由はお前はまだ言っていないけどな

>It's not the only reason, but it is by far the dominant reason.
何日まで経っても証拠を一切書かないお前は底辺5chの陰謀論者と同じくキチガイ

>China's economy has not stagnated so far. Annual GDP growth in China has declined from ~9% to ~5%
停滞の意味すら分かってない中国由来の数字を真に受けるお前が正にアホのアホ
何回までロシア国家ニュースに騙されて気が済むんだ

>Washington will not allow a re-militarized Japan to use its strength against the US, or the US military bases in Japan. So I do not see how that can work.
当然のことだけどそもそも日本が今アメリカの敵であろうとアメリカ愚か同じ立場でどんな国もはそんなことを許さないよな？
自己防衛のために敵に渡した武器を破壊するんだろ

日本は今アメリカの許可を待たず空母を作ってること知ってる？
九条の意味すら分かってないな

>In fact, after the 2 countries worked together on the discovery and early development of nuclear weapons in the Manhattan Project
何を言おうと1958年に協力再開したことはアメリカが味方と核兵器の共有を許すことは否定できないな

ここまで読んでくれてありがたいが
お前もそろそろ習皇帝に土下座して支援をねだる時間だぞ
このオ露カ者が

中国人？

チェチェンは昔から大半イスラム教徒でキリスト教徒国のロシアに支配されたくないから
ISISのようなテログループを巻き込まれるまで何回も戦争したのもありえることだね
中国政府と新疆と同じパターンなのさ

フィンランドがロシアから独立していい国になったしね
寧ろ良すぎてロシア人が難民言い訳をするまでフィンランドに違法入国している
ロシアがそんなに嫌われてるのは日常茶番なものさ

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>>137070
>AI使ってた
No, but I did look up the details of the Manhattan Project and the "article 9", and searched my disk for the attached book pages.

>アメリカは味方を守るために何回も遠い他国と戦って勝利した
Since the end of WW2, I don't think the US has fought any war to "protect allies". It did fight wars to expand its empire and benefit Israel (which, believe it or not, is actually not a real treaty-bound military ally). Of those, I think the best results were a stalemate in the Korean peninsula (resulting in the addition of South Korea as a colony) and, with NATO, the excision of Kosovo from Serbia (a violation of international law). The "wars on terror" (for Israel) were strategically inert and financially ruinous. During the Cold War it also nurtured coups and proxy conflicts, funding and arming enemies of the USSR (thus becoming buddies with the likes of Osama bin Laden and his Mujahidin). These were more cost-effective.
>味方だった中国と戦争までした
Are you talking about the incident after the "Sino-soviet split"? That was not a war but a series of border skirmishes. Also, they were never real allies.
>同じく自分勝手...間違ってる
Again... One empire has only 2 weak neighbors, 2 vast oceans around a continent-sized landmass, and is still living, the other has/had 12+ neighbors, no geographic natural borders, is located in the permanent battlefield known as Europe, and suffered a collapse. However, the instinct is the same. Open any primer on the realist school of international relations.
>...多くて好かれるのよ
Everybody likes the strong horse. The USSR failed and disintegrated. The US went to establish hegemony. I do not dispute that the US has been a more successful (and competent) power, that's obvious. But this does not impinge on my argument about the fundamentally self-interested behavior of great powers on the international stage. Just need to take that dick out of your mouth for a minute while observing US behavior and it will be clear.
>ロシアは味方の面倒すら...支配して...停滞...
Going in circles now. Re-read my previous replies. Will ignore this from now on.

>...リーダーとして責任を負うのは
Disagree. That's a convenient simplification for the current Ukraine leadership. Some of the most ardent soviet supporters were in fact Ukrainians since the Bolshevik promoted "Ukranization", but now they pretend that they were nothing but "victims" without agency. It's propaganda.
>ブレスト＝リトフスク...
>代わりに日本のような...基地を保有する...経済支援...
Hm. It's interesting to think about, but the comparison is not straightforward. Those were adjacent territories which had been ruled by the Russian empire, then lost in WW1, then turned into "soviet republics" by USSR around the time of WW2. They were populated by slavs and other whites. And this was before the advent of nation states.
The case of Japan is very different. An archipelago separated by a huge ocean, never before ruled by the US, populated by an entirely separate race.
Maybe it would have been wiser for Russia or the USSR to only place military bases there, instead of closer integration. But also, if Japan was adjacent to the US mainland, had been previously ruled by the US, and had been populated by racially close people, then maybe the US would have chosen to integrate Japan...

>2008年以前のトランスニストリア・アブハジア・南オセチア
Moving the goalpost. You said "war", which these cases are not. These autonomous regions and their disputes are the result of Soviet disintegration. The inhabitants there have various issues (such as religion or language) with the bordering countries (Moldova, Georgia, etc.) and are friendly towards Russia, so Russia has held "peacekeeper" troops there since the USSR dissolution.
You complain about these regions being puppets, yet you do not want to see that, using the same rationale, the US has many many more puppets.
>日本とドイツをなぜ言及した
You said that it had not changed since the end communism and that's just false. Again moving the goalpost. Nonetheless, I think you have a point. Russia grew substantially considering that its economy suffered a disastrous collapse in the transition to capitalism. But I do think they underperform. Their consumer industry, in particular, is woefully underdeveloped relative to their ambitions.

>>137070
>チェチェン独立...2回戦争...
Not a lie. It's self-ruled, which is not the same as being an "independent country". Like autonomous regions elsewhere. Russia and allied Chechens fought against islamic fundamentalists (the aforementioned "ichkerian") to prevent a total break. They succeeded.
>...ウクライナへチェチェン人を出す必要ない
You are tiresome. To repeat, those are a minority of salafi islamists. In the Ukraine war there have been 2 groups of opposed Chechens: the majority from Chechnya fought under the flag of Chechnya and Russia, and a minority arrived from exile in the middle-east (Syria, etc.) to become mercenaries for NATO/Ukraine. You cry for the ichkerian terrorists, of course.

>EU加盟しようとしたからウクライナを攻撃する
The historical record says otherwise. In 2013 Moscow agreed to facilitate a trade agreement with Kiev and EU. In November 2013 the negotiations collapsed because Brussels demanded exclusive access to the Ukraine market, excluding Russia, its largest trading partner. This became one of the motives for the 2014 coup. Nowadays, Russia's view of the EU might be different. In my view, the EU is increasingly becoming a European superstate and in the future might become either an extension or an alternative to NATO (depending on US designs). So it's no longer a simple trade bloc.
>発展したかったウクライナがロシアの所為でできなかった
Pure fantasy. The Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe (yes, worse than the Russia). Several of its industries (like civil and naval construction) actually *declined* since the communist era. Ukraine's dysfunction is mostly due to Ukraine.
>戦争のない海上でミサイル流通...同等扱いする...おかしい
No. In both cases (Cuba and Ukraine) a more powerful state sought to prevent a neighbor from being instrumentalized by a distant military power because it felt threatened. The comparison is apt.

>そのほかは日本銀行と政府がやったこと
They were direct consequence of the Plaza policies. The choice was between letting recession shrink the Japanese economy or expanding the monetary supply (a precursor to ZIRP in the US) to temporarily conceal the problem. The financialization led to an asset bubble. All bubbles eventually burst and when that happened 5 years later it was followed by the "lost decades" of stagnation. So, in truth, there was no real choice. On the one hand, outright recession. On the other hand, financialization and then stagnation.
>独立したフランスとイギリスも日本と同じくドル安をごり押されたけど...
Right, but Japan had a large trade surplus (overall and relative to the US), while the French and British economies were not so heavily export-dependent. The impact was therefore not so big for them. Because this was predictable, a sovereign state would not have accepted the same terms.

>何日まで経っても証拠を一切書かない
LOL. Yes, my fellow asian goy, it's all just a funny coincidence.
>停滞の意味分かってない中国由来の数字を真に受ける
Oh, now I remember: China's statistics are fictitious when optimistic and truthful when pessimistic. Ah, so soothing.

>許可を待たず空母を作ってること知ってる？
The DDH Izumo class, right? I heard about it a little. Helicopter carriers being converted to carry aircraft. I do not believe for a second that this was done without US permission and direction.
>九条の意味すら分かってない
So what's the meaning? Maybe the meaning is that it no longer has any meaning because the government can bend the interpretation ("self-defense", "individual self-defense", "collective self-defense", ...), so long a Washington approves.

>1958年に協力再開した
So you were wrong.
>核兵器の共有
Again, it's not really "co-ownership/共有". Britain developed its own nuclear weapons in spite of stonewalling tactics by US. Later the US agreed to deploy and maintained, under custody of US soldiers, a set of nuclear weapons arming British aircraft ("Project E" and later "MDA"), separate from the British nukes. The only real "sharing" is of technical/scientific information and fissile material. But, again, at the time of such agreement the UK was already a nuclear state. So, comparing the US-UK "special relationship" to Japan is myopic.

>>137098
日本語掲示板にくそ長い横見字を書いて日本語で返事されたら誤解するまでそもそもお前がここにいるべきでないぞ
とっくに負けてるお前に最後の返事をやるよ

>Since the end of WW2
ロシア帝国の昔話していたくせにまた勝手に区切りしたのね
世界戦争の上に湾岸戦争すら無視しお前の信憑性はゼロ

>Again... One empire has only 2 weak neighbors, 2 vast oceans around a continent-sized landmass, and is still living, the other has/had 12+ neighbors, no geographic natural borders, is located in the permanent battlefield known as Europe, and suffered a collapse.
また世界の所為にしてお前らのやりかたが間違っている疑問すら持たないことは認めないね

>Are you talking about the incident after the "Sino-soviet split"? That was not a war but a series of border skirmishes.
何百人と何十両が殺しあったのに？

>Also, they were never real allies.
オ露カ者のお前が勝手だけど孤立するのはお前だけだぞ

>Going in circles now. Re-read my previous replies. Will ignore this from now on.
こんなダサい台詞は負け犬しか言えないのよ

>. Some of the most ardent soviet supporters were in fact Ukrainians since the Bolshevik promoted "Ukranization", but now they pretend that they were nothing but "victims" without agency. It's propaganda.
独立してナチズと協力したまでのウクライナを無理やり共産主義を押したソ連の根本的な罪はあれより軽いは笑える

>. But also, if Japan was adjacent to the US mainland, had been previously ruled by the US, and had been populated by racially close people, then maybe the US would have chosen to integrate Japan...
キューバの存在自体でお前の言ったことは間違ってると証明した
合併はしないからとにかくアメリカ本州を攻撃しない保証があれば済むという話だよ
ロシアの合併欲と同じじゃないよ

>, so Russia has held "peacekeeper" troops there since the USSR dissolution.
その結果ロシアが2回以上攻撃したんだろ
お前の前に書いたことがまた間違っている証拠よ
>There are exactly 2 cases of the post-Soviet Russia
おまけに英語記事を引用してあげる

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia_war_(1991%E2%80%931992)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria_War

>You said that it had not changed since the end communism and that's just false.
「ソ連時代の発展にすら超えない」と言ったがなぜお前が「ソ連崩壊後と変わりがない」と誤解した？
日本語掲示板に居場所のない害人だね

>The historical record says otherwise. In 2013 Moscow agreed to facilitate a trade agreement with Kiev and EU. In November 2013 the negotiations collapsed because Brussels demanded exclusive access to the Ukraine market, excluding Russia, its largest trading partner
>Pure fantasy. The Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe (yes, worse than the Russia).
>LOL. Yes, my fellow asian goy, it's all just a funny coincidence.
>I do not believe for a second that this was done without US permission and direction.
くそ長い条約を語っているくせにお前が言ってることを証明として1行の引用すらないから誰も信じないよ
何回も証拠を求められて証拠を渡さないのは噓つきの悪癖よ
証明負担の概念すら分からないアホ

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>>137119
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>>137111
Haha. Look, you already admitted being personally incensed and biased due to your painful yearning for Sakhalin and Southern Kuril, so I don't really expect you to admit mistakes or misunderstandings.
>誤解
So did you. Part of the learning experience in cultural exchange.
>ダサい台詞
More ダサい is your repetitive whining. And even more ダサい would be for me to keep taking that bait.

>湾岸戦争
Wrong again. The Gulf War was not fought to "protect allies", which is what you argued. Kuwait was not a US ally at the time of the Gulf War (in fact, up to that point they had expressly refused to host US military bases). Instead, it was a UN-sanctioned intervention. Kuwait became a US "ally" afterwards as a *consequence* of the Gulf War.

>キューバの存在自体で...合併はしないから...
>合併欲と同じじゃないよ
Cuba is still not directly comparable (for one, it's not adjacent land).
But there is a better comparison to make: Mexico. The US took and integrated vast amounts of land, roughly half the territory independent Mexico had inherited from the Spanish empire.
Another case to consider is the conquest of the western frontier (which included the genocide of the North-American aboriginals).

>何百人...が殺しあったのに？
According to the disclosed record, about 1.3.
Not a war. (Incidentally, the soviet leader at the time was Khrushchev, from Ukraine SSR.)

>ナチズと協力したまでのウクライナ...
I told you already: "Ukraine is not a homogeneous nation". "Ukrainian", insofar as demonym, is a not an ethnic, nor cultural, nor religious, nor even linguistic designation. It's a *geographic* designation: "the people of the borderland". That people have been deeply fractured, over several fault lines, for at least a century. So both things are true. Collaboration with NatSoc Germany (specially in the far-west) and then ardent soviet support (for selfish reasons and less in the far-west). Can your brain not hold 2 ideas at the same time?

>...証明として1行の引用すらないから誰も信じないよ
See attached video: interview of New York University professor Cohen in US TV in early 2014.

>その結果ロシアが2回以上攻撃したんだろ
No. All 3 mentioned cases were conflicts involving former-soviet autonomous regions, which, as I said, already hosted Russian troops, and states seeking their integration (Georgia and Moldova), not "assaults/attacks/攻撃 against neighboring countries".
>Abkhazia
<involved [...] Georgian government forces, and [...] Abkhaz separatist forces [...] Russian armed forces and North Caucasian hired fighters
>South Ossetia
<fought as part of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict between Georgian government forces and ethnic Georgian militia [...] and the forces of South Ossetia and ethnic Ossetian militia [...] supported by individual Russian troops
>Transnistria
<limited conflict [...] between [...] the Transnistrian Republican Guard, militia and Cossack units, and supported by elements of the Russian 14th Army, and [...] Moldovan troops and police
I guess that, if one replaced "Russia" with "US" here, you would sing praises for "protecting allies".

>...誤解した？
Seems so. I searched for some data comparing the "RSFSR" (not the USSR, which would be an incorrect counterpart) with the current Russia but I only found 1 outdated comparison (stops at 2010) and it doesn't track "development/発展", which is a complex index, but simpler measures such as agricultural output and heavy industry. Do you know data showing that it still hasn't overtaken the "development" of the RSFSR?